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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 02:29 EET
From: "James R. Cooney" <jcooney@locke.ccil.org>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1489] Re: More bothersome file locating
> > On Sun, 26 Feb 1995, Josh Rodman wrote:
> >
> > > Now THIS is what I think is REALLY a waste of time and energy. Who wants to
> > > to hear a MOD of song that's already been created? Why go to all the trouble to
> > > attempt to reproduce a song that's already been created when the result won't be
> > > nearly as good as the CD version? I've seen far too many top 40 mods in my day
> > > and never once was I impressed.
>
> So why not just listen to the original?
The point in "wasting your time and energy" in recreating a MOD
of a song that's already been done is to let other people here music that
normally wouldn't get played on any radio station. I've gotten MODs that
have been nothing but samples directly stripped off a CD. No, it doesn't
take any talent to do this, but if the quality is good enough, it can be
just as good as something off the CD. And why not just listen to the
original? With the ridiculous prices charged for cassette singles, who
can afford to go out and by every song you ever liked?
-the watchman
jcooney@locke.ccil.org
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 03:51 EET
From: Dan <dan@bepcp.bowker.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1490] i hate bounced mail!
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 03:04:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <dan@bepcp.bowker.com>
To: klf-talk@oliver.sun.ac.za
Subject: Re: [KLF-TALK:1482] Re: last two kosmic releases ...
In-Reply-To: <24161.campbell@fox.nstn.ca>
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On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Chris Campbell wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 95 07:02 EET,
> kim davies <kimba@moby.it.com.AU> wrote:
>
> >> Wow! Unless you used ISDN that must have been really painfull. I just
> >> upload any new Kosmic stuff to the local boards.
> >Well I downloaded 45 megs of kosmic stuff overnight in the background :-)
>
> Off the Internet? That would be nasty... at least for me... I pay 70 cents
> an hour.
assuming 14.4k, and about 5 megs per hour, that would end up costing you
about $6.30, for which you'd probably end up with about 15-20 hours of
music. Now let's not all get into one of those stupid debates "but
tracker music isn't real music" etc, but if you went out and BOUGHT 15-20
hours of music on say CDs (which would probably be about 20 full-length
albums) you would have spent, at least here, at least $200. even if you
have to pay to get Kosmic releases, chances are you're getting it for
relatively *nothing*. even if you were one of those unfortunate (or rich)
souls ftping everything through America Online, you'd only end up
spending about $30 vs the $200. throw in the price of 15 blank 90 minute
tapes of course, because that'll give you the portability and
listen-anywhere capability the CDs give you. you've still spent at most
less than 1/4 of what the music industry would charge you, and probably
more like 1/8th. Of course, it's a really poor system even in comparision
with the current corporate rock industry - whereas even on the most
greedy labels the artists get _something_ back, here the only people
profiting are the people providing the overhead. It's sort of like a
music industry where the only people that get any money are the people
who make the cases and put them on the shelves, and that's got alot to do
i think with why nobody else is doing it too much :)
oh jeez did i get carried away.
- Dan
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 06:50 EET
From: Dan <dan@bepcp.bowker.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1491] things...
I will be out of town for a week or so now, so I'm leaving AndrewM (one
of the two mental flosses) in charge of the group activities till i
return. So if you've got anything of interest to kosmic, or if there's
something you absolutely must contact me about, email him at
andrewm@io.org and he'll be able to take care of it.
have fun while i'm away :)
and you kosmic kidz behave real good for uncle floss :)
- Dan
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 14:41 EET
From: rodman@wizvax.com (Joshua S. Rodman)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1492] Re: More bothersome file locating
>
> > > On Sun, 26 Feb 1995, Josh Rodman wrote:
> > >
> > > > Now THIS is what I think is REALLY a waste of time and energy. Who wants to
> > > > to hear a MOD of song that's already been created? Why go to all the trouble to
> > > > attempt to reproduce a song that's already been created when the result won't be
> > > > nearly as good as the CD version? I've seen far too many top 40 mods in my day
> > > > and never once was I impressed.
> >
> > So why not just listen to the original?
>
> The point in "wasting your time and energy" in recreating a MOD
> of a song that's already been done is to let other people here music that
> normally wouldn't get played on any radio station. I've gotten MODs that
> have been nothing but samples directly stripped off a CD. No, it doesn't
> take any talent to do this, but if the quality is good enough, it can be
> just as good as something off the CD. And why not just listen to the
> original? With the ridiculous prices charged for cassette singles, who
> can afford to go out and by every song you ever liked?
Well, just to be a dork.. I can't afford the kind of space on my hard drive
required for 1 meg 2 1/2 minute songs of all looped samples.
A remix is one thing.. taking a song from the world of trackers or the world
of corporate music and turning into something completely different is a
wonderful thing. (unlike many of the "remixes" i've heard in the world of
corporate music: "It's like the same song, y'see.. but it's longer.
<giggle>"), but making a mod into what is basically a recording of some
already recorded song?? Sure it may be a challenge, but so is running 20
miles, and I don't take avi files of me running 20 miles and post them on
the net. There are issues here of copywrite infringement, disk storage,
bandwith, and other things, when it would sound better if you taped it off
your friends album or a clear radio station. Just makes no sense to me.
Ok.. I guess I'm skipping here, but it seemed like I communicated very
poorly last time with my one-liner.
--
Serve the Computer.
The Computer is your friend.
Be a happy Alpha Complex citizen.
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 14:41 EET
From: jester (Tobias Reckhard) <jester@hp56.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1493] Re: More bothersome file locating
>
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, jester wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, Chris Campbell wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't get cubic player to work w/ my gus max... It just freezes after I
> > > select the song... Help!!!
> >
> > Neither can I, but I didn't try the file selector yet, just command-line
> > file specification. The HD LED lit up for a milisec and that was it.
> >
> > No idea what the prob is..
> >
>
> Same here. I've even tried replacing DOS/4G with PMODEW still no dice.
>
> --
> ========================
> Sam
> eassa@earth.execpc.com
> ========================
I haven't tried lowering my IRQ though. It's at 11 right now... DOOM ran
fine with that though...
l8r
--
jester (Tobias Reckhard) jester@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
To obtain the FAQ for alt.binaries.sounds.mods (in order of preference) :
- finger jester@rbhp21.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
- WWW http://grfn.org/~zaphod/absm-faq/index.html
- email jester@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 20:35 EET
From: South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1494] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Joshua S. Rodman wrote:
> A remix is one thing.. taking a song from the world of trackers or the world
> of corporate music and turning into something completely different is a
> wonderful thing. (unlike many of the "remixes" i've heard in the world of
> corporate music: "It's like the same song, y'see.. but it's longer.
> <giggle>"), but making a mod into what is basically a recording of some
> already recorded song?? Sure it may be a challenge, but so is running 20
> miles, and I don't take avi files of me running 20 miles and post them on
> the net. There are issues here of copywrite infringement, disk storage,
> bandwith, and other things, when it would sound better if you taped it off
> your friends album or a clear radio station. Just makes no sense to me.
It's not a challenge to record a bunch of samples and put them together, but
it is a challenge to recreate a song from scratch. That shows just as
much skill as doing your own song from scratch.. i know.. i've tried it, and
it's hard as fuck. Also, i've heard recreated songs that ended up better
than the original.. as for copyright infringement? I could really care less.
>
> Ok.. I guess I'm skipping here, but it seemed like I communicated very
> poorly last time with my one-liner.
Your one-liner, although extremely ehhmmmmm witty!, did not really introduce
any new arguments concerning this debate. OBVIOUSLY you could go get the
cd/tape and listen to the original.. was that ever questioned?
basehead
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 21:26 EET
From: rodman@wizvax.com (Joshua S. Rodman)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1495] Cubic player and Dos4gw
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, jester wrote:
> >
> > > > On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, Chris Campbell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can't get cubic player to work w/ my gus max... It just freezes after I
> > > > select the song... Help!!!
> > >
> > > Neither can I, but I didn't try the file selector yet, just command-line
> > > file specification. The HD LED lit up for a milisec and that was it.
> > >
> > > No idea what the prob is..
> > >
> >
> > Same here. I've even tried replacing DOS/4G with PMODEW still no dice.
>
> I haven't tried lowering my IRQ though. It's at 11 right now... DOOM ran
> fine with that though...
However, Doom didn't run properly at first on high IRQ's.. it is only in
more recent versions (more recent dos4gw maybe also?) that it works.
--
Serve the Computer.
The Computer is your friend.
Be a happy Alpha Complex citizen.
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 23:05 EET
From: gmezero@gz.bomb.com (Game Zero--Bryan/R.I.P.)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1500] Re: More bothersome file locating
Dan wrote:
>The LUSH-KLF.MOD that I once did shows this pretty well.
>(ftp://kosmic.wit.com/kosmic/songs/93/lush-klf.zip). alot of people think
>it's good, but i bet you 95% of them have never heard the original song.
>If they did, they'd think the MOD version is a bit of a piece of crap. Of
>course, lush-klf.mod is a bit remixed, so it's not the best example.
I've heard the original of this song, and actually like your mod version.
Not as much mind you, but since I never got around to adding the original
to my collection when I had the chance, your version does me fine.
Bryan
aka R.I.P.
gmezero@gz.bomb.com
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:54 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1498] Re: More bothersome file locating
>>No.. it's Internet In A Box. I can't find a local access number, so
>>I use the 800 number. It costs like $8.95 an hour for Web access, but
>>E-Mail & Usenet is free.
>
>Cool! It costs me 70 cents an hour for everything. How do I get hooked
>up? free e-mail and usenet would save me a lot of money.
Well, you go to your local software shop and purchase the Internet In A
Box kit. Then you register it with Sprintlink and voila! Internet
access. Of course, it's only good if you work in Windows a lot. All
the apps are windows based.
--
: Red Horizon : Flange, distortion, echo..
: rhorizon@interserv.com : ..bring 'em on.
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:53 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1497] Re: Cubic Player
>>Actually I noticed a number of play errors on XM files in Cubic. I think
>>it generally doesn't hold the notes as long as it should. There were some
>>minor S3M problems as well.
>
>I found it held a few notes too long with Reflector by Zodiak.
Well, if you really want to listen to XMs, why not just load up FT2 until
a new version of DMP, IPlay, CapaMod, or Mod4Win comes out so you can
listen to them? I mean, it's not that bad.. fer example, it's got a
rocking version of Nibbles in it.. so.. =)
--
: Red Horizon : "High quantity does not make up low quality."
: rhorizon@interserv.com : -Anonymous
-----------------
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:10 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1504] Re: More bothersome file locating
>The LUSH-KLF.MOD that I once did shows this pretty well.
>(ftp://kosmic.wit.com/kosmic/songs/93/lush-klf.zip). alot of people think
>it's good, but i bet you 95% of them have never heard the original song.
>If they did, they'd think the MOD version is a bit of a piece of crap. Of
>course, lush-klf.mod is a bit remixed, so it's not the best example.
Agreed. I like it. A lot. However, it doesn't come close to the quality
of Lush 3-2 off of _Orbital_2_. Not remixed enough, however..
I was working on a REMIX (not a LUSH-KLF style edit version) a while back,
but the complicated synth line at the beginning of 3-1 threw me off.
Maybe I should start working on it again.
--
: Red Horizon : Introducing the all new BASS O-Matic '95!
: rhorizon@interserv.com : =)
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:59 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1499] Re: BPM
>Of course there's a pattern to it: BPM := tempo * 6 / speed;
Do you use that equation to calculate BPM in Mod4Win?
>Where do you get your table from? 4/125 is exactly twice as fast as 8/125.
If so, how come 12/125 is not exactly one half as fast as 6/125?
--
: Red Horizon : "You gotta believe in something..
: rhorizon@interserv.com : ..why not believe in me?"
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 23:58 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1502] Re: More bothersome file locating
>Ever hear of something called a challenge?
>
>Believe me, there's nothing more challenging than going thru the process of
>recreating a song by ear, samples and all.. best example of this would
>probably be "Boom! And She Cums!" by Dr.Awesome, a from-scratch tracking
>of a Scritti Politti song.. and i might add, it kicks ass. Very impressive.
Of course, a song that's not as well known as that one, but still good
nonetheless. Photon completely reconstructed "Closer" by NiN, and it sounds
just as good as the cd version, with the exception of a few vocals.
--
: Red Horizon : The opinions expressed in this message do not
: rhorizon@interserv.com : necessarily reflect the opinions of a sane man.
-----------------
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:11 EET
From: "J.Toon" <max0803@IMAP2.ASU.EDU>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1505] Re: BPM
> >Where do you get your table from? 4/125 is exactly twice as fast as 8/125.
>
> If so, how come 12/125 is not exactly one half as fast as 6/125?
Hmm.. one reason is because that equation is for Base 16 (Hex) and not
base 10 (dec) .. but I THINK someone said that he wrote that equation
wrong anyways ...
Cerulean [defi95]
-----------------
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:33 EET
From: South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1507] Re: BPM
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995 rhorizon@InterServ.Com wrote:
> >Where do you get your table from? 4/125 is exactly twice as fast as 8/125.
>
> If so, how come 12/125 is not exactly one half as fast as 6/125?
12h or 12? (0Ch)
> --
> : Red Horizon : "You gotta believe in something..
> : rhorizon@interserv.com : ..why not believe in me?"
^^^^^ uhh is this from
erotixs' "ten green bottles" ?
bye now
basehead
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 23:37 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <jpuchert@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1501] Re: More bothersome file locating
In message <Pine.3.88.9502281353.A25001-0100000@pcnet1.pcnet.com> you write:
>
>On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Joshua S. Rodman wrote:
>
>> A remix is one thing.. taking a song from the world of trackers or the world
>> of corporate music and turning into something completely different is a
>> wonderful thing. (unlike many of the "remixes" i've heard in the world of
>> corporate music: "It's like the same song, y'see.. but it's longer.
>> <giggle>"), but making a mod into what is basically a recording of some
>> already recorded song?? Sure it may be a challenge, but so is running 20
>> miles, and I don't take avi files of me running 20 miles and post them on
>> the net. There are issues here of copywrite infringement, disk storage,
>> bandwith, and other things, when it would sound better if you taped it off
>> your friends album or a clear radio station. Just makes no sense to me.
>
>It's not a challenge to record a bunch of samples and put them together, but
>it is a challenge to recreate a song from scratch. That shows just as
>much skill as doing your own song from scratch.. i know.. i've tried it, and
>it's hard as fuck. Also, i've heard recreated songs that ended up better
>than the original.. as for copyright infringement? I could really care less.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Would you say the same if some heavy weight record company took YOUR songs
and put them on THEIR CD's and sold them to the masses for profit? Don't
be hypocritical now.
>basehead
Jensi
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 23:58 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1503] Re: BPM
>That's that... and whoever came up with the wacky idea of switching the tempo
>repeatedly, like in Chiba or Poetry in Motion? It's cool...
Hmm.
If I'm not mistaken, I think that came from the days of MODs on Amigas, when
you couldn't really switch BPMs, so they constantly switched between whatever
for their different speeds.
--
screw the fancy sig. RH.
-----------------
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 00:27 EET
From: South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1506] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Dan Nicholson wrote:
> basehead is going to use this as more proof that i just do things to
> disagree with him, but...
*sigh*
> two words:
>
> BULL SHIT.
>
> Tracking a previously created song *can* be hard, and challenging to do
> well, but it requires less skill than being able to invent your own riffs,
> rhythms and song from nothing. What you're saying is akin to saying that
> taking an existing car and building a copy of it is as hard as inventing a
> whole new car.
>From a TRACKING SKILL point of view, it's just as hard.. because either way
copy or original, the ideas are already in your head. The tracking part is
a whole other story..
> Base, what we're talking about here are VERBATIM trackings of 'real
> music'. If you're doing that, it can't end up better than the original,
> because it's an imitation of the original. And in the thousands of
> tracker songs I've heard, I have never heard a tracked imitation of a
> real song that was anywhere as good as the real one.
I can show ya a few if you can spare the space..
> The LUSH-KLF.MOD that I once did shows this pretty well.
> (ftp://kosmic.wit.com/kosmic/songs/93/lush-klf.zip). alot of people think
> it's good, but i bet you 95% of them have never heard the original song.
> If they did, they'd think the MOD version is a bit of a piece of crap. Of
> course, lush-klf.mod is a bit remixed, so it's not the best example.
Dan, geezus.. there's a huge difference between tracking "Lush" and tracking
like Duke Ellington shit, and Branford Marsalis. Not even comparable.
buhbye
basehead
-----------------
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 02:16 EET
From: "Aaron J. Grier" <agrier@reed.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1508] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Dan Nicholson wrote:
> The LUSH-KLF.MOD that I once did shows this pretty well.
> (ftp://kosmic.wit.com/kosmic/songs/93/lush-klf.zip). alot of people think
> it's good, but i bet you 95% of them have never heard the original song.
> If they did, they'd think the MOD version is a bit of a piece of crap. Of
> course, lush-klf.mod is a bit remixed, so it's not the best example.
Yeah... I wasn't really impressed by lush-klf.mod a whole lot. (I've got
the single.) Buuut, what I am STILL impressed with and like a whole lot
is Chime-94. I still love it! (and yeah, I've listened to the real song
a whole lot as well.)
----
The Finn / VLA
Aaron J. Grier
agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.)
-----------------
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:35 EET
From: Dan <dan@bepcp.bowker.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1512] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Jens Puchert wrote:
> >It's not a challenge to record a bunch of samples and put them together, but
> >it is a challenge to recreate a song from scratch. That shows just as
> >much skill as doing your own song from scratch.. i know.. i've tried it, and
> >it's hard as fuck. Also, i've heard recreated songs that ended up better
> >than the original.. as for copyright infringement? I could really care less.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Would you say the same if some heavy weight record company took YOUR songs
> and put them on THEIR CD's and sold them to the masses for profit? Don't
> be hypocritical now.
hehe, you tell him :) after all, that's the same basehead who was telling
me the other day that someone in florida has sold like 300 tapes of klf
music at like $15 a tape or some outrageous price, and he was so disturbed
by it. me, i'm just disturbed that he would believe that. and anyway, if
it really were true, what would i do about it? HIRE the guy! :)
- Dan
-----------------
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 04:51 EET
From: Dan <dan@bepcp.bowker.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1513] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, South Street North Studios wrote:
> >From a TRACKING SKILL point of view, it's just as hard.. because either way
> copy or original, the ideas are already in your head. The tracking part is
> a whole other story..
speak for yourself holmes. when i sit down to write a new song i RARELY
have the ideas in my head already. at most, maybe three or four songs out
of a few thousand are ones which i have come up with before sitting down
at the pc.
> I can show ya a few if you can spare the space..
i'd love to hear them.
> Dan, geezus.. there's a huge difference between tracking "Lush" and
> tracking like Duke Ellington shit, and Branford Marsalis. Not even
> comparable.
ok, now your logic totally escapes me. my point was that even music that
lends itself to tracker format, like techno, can't be recreated as good
as the original. with jazz it's even less possible.
as for the thought that jazz musicians are somehow infinitely more
talented and skillful than the Hartnoll brothers, cut the crap. maybe
Orbital could never begin play the jazz classics - so what? branford
marsalis couldn't dream of writing a song like 'halycon,' and that's just
fine. different strokes for different folks.
- Dan
-----------------
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:09 EET
From: "Aaron J. Grier" <agrier@reed.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1511] Re: BPM tweaking
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995 rhorizon@InterServ.Com wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, I think that came from the days of MODs on Amigas, when
> you couldn't really switch BPMs, so they constantly switched between whatever
> for their different speeds.
That's one reason... the other is that you get this nice swingy effect.
----
The Finn / VLA
Aaron J. Grier
agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.)
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 03:03 EET
From: rodman@wizvax.com (Joshua S. Rodman)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1510] Re: BPM
>
> >That's that... and whoever came up with the wacky idea of switching the tempo
> >repeatedly, like in Chiba or Poetry in Motion? It's cool...
>
> If I'm not mistaken, I think that came from the days of MODs on Amigas, when
> you couldn't really switch BPMs, so they constantly switched between whatever
> for their different speeds.
If you're talking about songs that change tempo on every note, (can't seem
to find either of those mentioned on me HD.. though I have PIM2), then there
is an added effect if you ever use all the notes. Most of the notes you put
every other at the least, if not every fourth or whatever, and they're
evenly spaced. A note slide on _every_ line creates a series of slightly
syncopated "cheated" notes.. or you can use just one before a normal note as
a kind of grace note or flam :)
--
Serve the Computer.
The Computer is your friend.
Be a happy Alpha Complex citizen.
-----------------
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:24 EET
From: Dan Nicholson <moddan@ritz.mordor.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1496] Re: More bothersome file locating
basehead is going to use this as more proof that i just do things to
disagree with him, but...
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, South Street North Studios wrote:
> It's not a challenge to record a bunch of samples and put them together, but
> it is a challenge to recreate a song from scratch. That shows just as
> much skill as doing your own song from scratch.. i know.. i've tried it, and
two words:
BULL SHIT.
Tracking a previously created song *can* be hard, and challenging to do
well, but it requires less skill than being able to invent your own riffs,
rhythms and song from nothing. What you're saying is akin to saying that
taking an existing car and building a copy of it is as hard as inventing a
whole new car.
> it's hard as fuck. Also, i've heard recreated songs that ended up better
> than the original.. as for copyright infringement? I could really care less.
Base, what we're talking about here are VERBATIM trackings of 'real
music'. If you're doing that, it can't end up better than the original,
because it's an imitation of the original. And in the thousands of
tracker songs I've heard, I have never heard a tracked imitation of a
real song that was anywhere as good as the real one.
The LUSH-KLF.MOD that I once did shows this pretty well.
(ftp://kosmic.wit.com/kosmic/songs/93/lush-klf.zip). alot of people think
it's good, but i bet you 95% of them have never heard the original song.
If they did, they'd think the MOD version is a bit of a piece of crap. Of
course, lush-klf.mod is a bit remixed, so it's not the best example.
- Dan
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 02:53 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1509] Re: BPM
>> If so, how come 12/125 is not exactly one half as fast as 6/125?
>
>12h or 12? (0Ch)
12. OCh. It never seems to work out right.
>> : Red Horizon : "You gotta believe in something..
>> : rhorizon@interserv.com : ..why not believe in me?"
> ^^^^^ uhh is this from
erotixs' "ten green bottles" ?
Could be. I don't know. The place I heard it was "House Of God"
by DHS off the Techno Truth I compilation.
--
Be young. Have fun. Drink vodka. RH.
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 05:06 EET
From: South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1514] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Jens Puchert wrote:
> >It's not a challenge to record a bunch of samples and put them together, but
> >it is a challenge to recreate a song from scratch. That shows just as
> >much skill as doing your own song from scratch.. i know.. i've tried it, and
> >it's hard as fuck. Also, i've heard recreated songs that ended up better
> >than the original.. as for copyright infringement? I could really care less.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Would you say the same if some heavy weight record company took YOUR songs
> and put them on THEIR CD's and sold them to the masses for profit? Don't
> be hypocritical now.
> Jensi
Nobody's selling these recreation mods, are they..
basehead
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 05:12 EET
From: South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1515] Re: BPM
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995 rhorizon@InterServ.Com wrote:
> >That's that... and whoever came up with the wacky idea of switching the tempo
> >repeatedly, like in Chiba or Poetry in Motion? It's cool...
>
> Hmm.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, I think that came from the days of MODs on Amigas, when
> you couldn't really switch BPMs, so they constantly switched between whatever
> for their different speeds.
Yes and no.. it came from the days of MODs on the Amiga. But it wasn't
because they couldn't switch BPM. It was a way of altering the flow of the
whole track, so you could give it a swing feel.. ie
*in st3*
A09
A06
A09
A06
A09
A06
etc etc..
this is often called "Floating Tempo" .. and is used in alot of jazzy mods
it also works great for house (as demonstrated in chiba city lights)
peace
basehead
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 05:13 EET
From: South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1516] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Dan wrote:
> hehe, you tell him :) after all, that's the same basehead who was telling
> me the other day that someone in florida has sold like 300 tapes of klf
> music at like $15 a tape or some outrageous price, and he was so disturbed
> by it. me, i'm just disturbed that he would believe that. and anyway, if
> it really were true, what would i do about it? HIRE the guy! :)
>
Ehh.. fuck off or something. You'd be surprised how close i am to leaving
the group dan, for real this time. I'm starting to get sick of constant
disagreements.
base
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 05:19 EET
From: Andrew Voss <vossa@rpi.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1517] Re: More bothersome file locating
> hehe, you tell him :) after all, that's the same basehead who was telling
> me the other day that someone in florida has sold like 300 tapes of klf
> music at like $15 a tape or some outrageous price, and he was so disturbed
> by it. me, i'm just disturbed that he would believe that. and anyway, if
> it really were true, what would i do about it? HIRE the guy! :)
>
> - Dan
>
>
hehe, we COULD use a business/financial manager, _should_ the day come when we
sell CD's . .
-av (phoenix for you handle-loving types (: )
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 05:39 EET
From: Hussam Eassa <eassa@earth.execpc.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1518] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, South Street North Studios wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Dan wrote:
>
> > hehe, you tell him :) after all, that's the same basehead who was telling
> > me the other day that someone in florida has sold like 300 tapes of klf
> > music at like $15 a tape or some outrageous price, and he was so disturbed
> > by it. me, i'm just disturbed that he would believe that. and anyway, if
> > it really were true, what would i do about it? HIRE the guy! :)
> >
>
> Ehh.. fuck off or something. You'd be surprised how close i am to leaving
> the group dan, for real this time. I'm starting to get sick of constant
> disagreements.
>
> base
That would be a *real* loss to KFMF IMHO. I think you guys need to chill
out and take this to email or better yet don't piss each other off in public
(or private) over nothing really. A little respect goes a long way.
--
========================
Sam
eassa@earth.execpc.com
========================
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:09 EET
From: Chng Ching Huei <chngchi1@iscs.nus.sg>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1519] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Dan wrote:
> > Would you say the same if some heavy weight record company took YOUR songs
> > and put them on THEIR CD's and sold them to the masses for profit? Don't
> > be hypocritical now.
>
> hehe, you tell him :) after all, that's the same basehead who was telling
> me the other day that someone in florida has sold like 300 tapes of klf
> music at like $15 a tape or some outrageous price, and he was so disturbed
> by it. me, i'm just disturbed that he would believe that. and anyway, if
> it really were true, what would i do about it? HIRE the guy! :)
Well, I also record my favourite klf's songs on a cassette.
But, I don't sell it.
I used it to show my friends how good klf music is!
Benedict Chng
Email: chngchi1@iscs.nus.sg
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:04 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <jpuchert@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1520] Re: BPM
In message <9502282053.AA01517@ InterServ.Com> you write:
>>Of course there's a pattern to it: BPM := tempo * 6 / speed;
>
>Do you use that equation to calculate BPM in Mod4Win?
Not directly, I have no use for the actual BPM value, but the underlying
logic is based on that, yes.
>>Where do you get your table from? 4/125 is exactly twice as fast as 8/125.
>
>If so, how come 12/125 is not exactly one half as fast as 6/125?
Who says it isn't?
>--
>: Red Horizon : "You gotta believe in something..
>: rhorizon@interserv.com : ..why not believe in me?"
Jensi
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:18 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <jpuchert@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1521] Re: BPM
In message <Pine.SOL.3.91.950228150632.9769A@general2> you write:
>> >Where do you get your table from? 4/125 is exactly twice as fast as 8/125.
>>
>> If so, how come 12/125 is not exactly one half as fast as 6/125?
>
>Hmm.. one reason is because that equation is for Base 16 (Hex) and not
>base 10 (dec) ..
What does the numbering system have to do with the equivalence of two terms
on either side of an equation?
>but I THINK someone said that he wrote that equation wrong anyways ...
No, it is correct.
>Cerulean [defi95]
Jensi
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:38 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <jpuchert@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1522] Re: BPM
In message <m0rjcsX-000BJJC@wizvax.wizvax.com> you write:
>>
>> >That's that... and whoever came up with the wacky idea of switching the tem
>po
That's the speed!
>> >repeatedly, like in Chiba or Poetry in Motion? It's cool...
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, I think that came from the days of MODs on Amigas, when
>> you couldn't really switch BPMs, so they constantly switched between whateve
>r
>> for their different speeds.
>
>If you're talking about songs that change tempo on every note, (can't seem
Speed!
>to find either of those mentioned on me HD.. though I have PIM2), then there
>is an added effect if you ever use all the notes. Most of the notes you put
>every other at the least, if not every fourth or whatever, and they're
>evenly spaced. A note slide on _every_ line creates a series of slightly
>syncopated "cheated" notes.. or you can use just one before a normal note as
>a kind of grace note or flam :)
>--
>Serve the Computer.
>The Computer is your friend.
>Be a happy Alpha Complex citizen.
Jensi
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:51 EET
From: Dan <dan@bepcp.bowker.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1523] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, South Street North Studios wrote:
> > and put them on THEIR CD's and sold them to the masses for profit? Don't
> > be hypocritical now.
> > Jensi
>
>
> Nobody's selling these recreation mods, are they..
ok, let's put it another way. say YOU got a record deal and put out a CD
and then someone came along and started giving away dubbed copies of your
album. you *know* you'd be upset.
- Dan
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 09:52 EET
From: Dan <dan@bepcp.bowker.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1524] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, South Street North Studios wrote:
> Ehh.. fuck off or something. You'd be surprised how close i am to leaving
> the group dan, for real this time. I'm starting to get sick of constant
> disagreements.
here's a fellow who would hate washington d.c. :) base, as the original
KLF encouraged us all to do a few years ago, "Chill Out".
if everyone agreed with everyone else, life would be alot less
interesting.
- Dan
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 10:05 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <jpuchert@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1525] Re: More bothersome file locating
In message <Pine.3.89.9502282155.A18546-0100000@earth> you write:
>
>
>On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, South Street North Studios wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Dan wrote:
>>
>> > hehe, you tell him :) after all, that's the same basehead who was telling
>> > me the other day that someone in florida has sold like 300 tapes of klf
>> > music at like $15 a tape or some outrageous price, and he was so disturbed
>> > by it. me, i'm just disturbed that he would believe that. and anyway, if
>> > it really were true, what would i do about it? HIRE the guy! :)
>> >
>>
>> Ehh.. fuck off or something. You'd be surprised how close i am to leaving
>> the group dan, for real this time. I'm starting to get sick of constant
>> disagreements.
>>
>> base
>
>That would be a *real* loss to KFMF IMHO. I think you guys need to chill
>out and take this to email or better yet don't piss each other off in public
>(or private) over nothing really. A little respect goes a long way.
>
>--
>========================
>Sam
>eassa@earth.execpc.com
>========================
Agreed. Everybody keep calm and relax. Leave the arguments up to the fans
and write awesome music instead ;-)
Jensi
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 17:00 EET
From: "J.Toon" <max0803@IMAP2.ASU.EDU>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1527] Re: BPM
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Jens Puchert wrote:
> >Hmm.. one reason is because that equation is for Base 16 (Hex) and not
> >base 10 (dec) ..
>
> What does the numbering system have to do with the equivalence of two terms
> on either side of an equation?
Because in base ten, 12 is twice as great as 6, but then in base 16 (hex)
12 would equal 18, 3 times 6 in hex ..
> >but I THINK someone said that he wrote that equation wrong anyways ...
>
> No, it is correct.
Okay..
> Jensi
Cerulean [defi]
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 18:17 EET
From: Schitzo <g4psycho@cdf.toronto.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1528] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, South Street North Studios wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Dan wrote:
> >
> > > hehe, you tell him :) after all, that's the same basehead who was telling
> > > me the other day that someone in florida has sold like 300 tapes of klf
> > > music at like $15 a tape or some outrageous price, and he was so disturbed
> > > by it. me, i'm just disturbed that he would believe that. and anyway, if
> > > it really were true, what would i do about it? HIRE the guy! :)
> > >
> >
> > Ehh.. fuck off or something. You'd be surprised how close i am to leaving
> > the group dan, for real this time. I'm starting to get sick of constant
> > disagreements.
> >
> > base
>
> That would be a *real* loss to KFMF IMHO. I think you guys need to chill
> out and take this to email or better yet don't piss each other off in public
> (or private) over nothing really. A little respect goes a long way.
yeah guys ... come on. sure you guys have your differences and
opinions. and of course you guys are entitled to them. no need to piss
each other off or anything over them though
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 20:23 EET
From: Dan Nicholson <moddan@ritz.mordor.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1531] Re: Cubic player and Dos4gw
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, jester wrote:
> Hmm, Doom ran fine on my sys from v1.1 through 1.666.. Only had problems
> with my DMA (I guess) being to fast 'cause I'd mistakenly downclocked my
> bus to around 6MHz...
whoops! hehe
> Dunno if the Dos4GW version changed.. I guess I'll try lowering the GUS
> IRQ though.
99% of the time the Dos4GW IRQ problem is a purposeful one: to eliminate
it, the developer has to purchase the more expensive 'pro' version of
Dos4GW which supports higher IQs (among many other additions I'm sure).
That's why GooRoo ended up using pmode instead of Dos4GW in EGG 2.
So it's yet another plot by software companies to get more money out of
their customers :)
- Dan, on his way out the door.
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:01 EET
From: "@#!%# !@$%#@!" <anichols@lib.drury.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1529] re: interesting point..
I think I may have to partly agree to what Dan said when he stated:
> it's good, but i bet you 95% of them have never heard the original song.
> If they did, they'd think the MOD version is a bit of a piece of crap. Of
> course, lush-klf.mod is a bit remixed, so it's not the best example.
(oops, by the way, I just subscribed, I'm Aaron),
I have run into that sort of thing recently when i heard some remixes of
a few ministry songs. I was kinda disappointed because I had heard the
original on CD/tape/whatever. However, I found some other songs that
explained that they were remixes that I had never heard before and I
liked 'em lots.
I still enjoy anything created by a computer so it's no big deal, I'll
keep listening. 8)
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 22:08 EET
From: South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1533] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Dan wrote:
> > Ehh.. fuck off or something. You'd be surprised how close i am to leaving
> > the group dan, for real this time. I'm starting to get sick of constant
> > disagreements.
>
> here's a fellow who would hate washington d.c. :) base, as the original
> KLF encouraged us all to do a few years ago, "Chill Out".
>
> if everyone agreed with everyone else, life would be alot less
> interesting.
But when people disagree about EVERYTHING, it's fucking irritating
base
-----------------
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 22:07 EET
From: South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1532] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote:
> > Ehh.. fuck off or something. You'd be surprised how close i am to leaving
> > the group dan, for real this time. I'm starting to get sick of constant
> > disagreements.
> >
> > base
>
> That would be a *real* loss to KFMF IMHO. I think you guys need to chill
> out and take this to email or better yet don't piss each other off in public
> (or private) over nothing really. A little respect goes a long way.
it's not "nothing really" .. essentially it's been a long string of events
and constant arguing since i joined.
base
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 23:41 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <campbell@fox.nstn.ca>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1535] Re: Cubic Player
On Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:53 EET,
rhorizon@InterServ.Com <rhorizon@InterServ.Com> wrote:
>>I found it held a few notes too long with Reflector by Zodiak.
>Well, if you really want to listen to XMs, why not just load up FT2 until
>a new version of DMP, IPlay, CapaMod, or Mod4Win comes out so you can
I don't like FT2
-It's really picky (needs just HIMEM.SYS loaded)
-No shell to DOS.
>listen to them? I mean, it's not that bad.. fer example, it's got a
>rocking version of Nibbles in it.. so.. =)
Well, I can't argue with that =)
--
Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia / Canada
"There's coffee in that nebula" - Janeway, ST Voyager
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 23:42 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <campbell@fox.nstn.ca>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1537] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 95 06:09 EET,
Chng Ching Huei <chngchi1@iscs.nus.sg> wrote:
>Well, I also record my favourite klf's songs on a cassette.
>But, I don't sell it.
>I used it to show my friends how good klf music is!
[Legal Info]
The music contained in this archive is Copyright 1995 KFMF Productions,
All Rights Reserved. Unauthorized use of this song, including but not
limited to: selling this music on a CD-ROM software collection disk, taping,
burning or otherwise recording this music to analogue or digital tape, CD,
MiniDisc or other audio media, broadcast of this song in any commercial
broadcast (Television, Satellite, Cable, Radio or other means), using it in
a "demo", noncommercial broadcast without statement of authorship and origin
of the song, and public performance is prohibited. Right is hereby granted
to freely distribute this archive *in original form only* via electronic
networks, distribution via electronic bulletin-board system or any other
non-commercial means of duplication between computer systems. Archival onto
audio recording media is allowed for personal use only. Non-commercial
broadcast of this music is allowed provided you clearly state the author and
origin of the song.
* Please Copy Our Floppies *
I think that clearly says that you can not tape a legally Kosmic release.
--
Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia / Canada
"There's coffee in that nebula" - Janeway, ST Voyager
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 23:42 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <campbell@fox.nstn.ca>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1536] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 95 05:06 EET,
South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com> wrote:
>Nobody's selling these recreation mods, are they..
But lots of prople are selling players <Jensi>
--
Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia / Canada
"There's coffee in that nebula" - Janeway, ST Voyager
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 23:49 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1538] Re: More bothersome file locating
>Ehh.. fuck off or something. You'd be surprised how close i am to leaving
>the group dan, for real this time. I'm starting to get sick of constant
>disagreements.
>
>base
Chill, man. Last month was "National Pick On Basehead Month". Now it's
over, since it's march. You know what march is? "National Pick On
Maelcum Month". =)
Just kidding, everyone. Don't leave. You add interesting insights to
this group, and that's what we need.
--
: Red Horizon : I have nothing more to say.
: rhorizon@interserv.com :
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:25 EET
From: jhuysman@gwr.bausch.nl
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1530] Re: re ? re ?, SHIT re :
This mailinglist is going all the wrong way...
I receive 20 to 30 emails a day, and they all suck big time....
Starting out in the morning with deleting all the klf-talk emails might be a sign to
abandon this list, right ? ;-(
it's a damn shame...
I mean , i must have had 50 or 60 emails with the subjects : re: more bothersome.... etc
Does anyone know of another nice list ?
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note : All views expressed are personal opinions.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 00:15 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1539] Re: BPM
>>>Where do you get your table from? 4/125 is exactly twice as fast as 8/125.
>>
>>If so, how come 12/125 is not exactly one half as fast as 6/125?
>
>Who says it isn't?
I do. At least not with DMP and-or ST3. Once, I created a song. Found out
when I was finished with it that I used every other row in it.. like:
C-4 01 .. A06
... .. .. ...
D-4 01 .. ...
... .. .. ...
E-4 01 .. ...
and you get the picture. So I halved all of it, got rid of those spaces, and
changed the speed to 12 (that's A0C in ST3). Turns out that it was a bit
slower than before, and I ended up having to change the BPM to 134 to get it
to line up correctly.
--
: Red Horizon : My thoughts are my own and no one else's. For
: rhorizon@interserv.com : good reasons, as well.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 00:16 EET
From: "J.Toon" <max0803@IMAP2.ASU.EDU>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1540] Re: More bothersome file locating
> non-commercial means of duplication between computer systems. Archival onto
> audio recording media is allowed for personal use only. Non-commercial
> broadcast of this music is allowed provided you clearly state the author and
> origin of the song.
> I think that clearly says that you can not tape a legally Kosmic release.
Thats weird .. I always thought a recording to a tape for personal usage
went under the 'Archival onto audio recording media is allowed for
personal use only.' for commercial purposes where money is involved, then
no, that is illegal even tho I highly doubt that KFMF would go as far as
to sue on a small basis of a couple sales of KFMF tapes ..
Cerulean [defiance 1995]
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 01:00 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <jpuchert@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1541] Re: BPM
In message <Pine.SOL.3.91.950301061218.1070A-100000@general2> you write:
>
>
>On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Jens Puchert wrote:
>
>> >Hmm.. one reason is because that equation is for Base 16 (Hex) and not
>> >base 10 (dec) ..
>>
>> What does the numbering system have to do with the equivalence of two terms
>> on either side of an equation?
>
>Because in base ten, 12 is twice as great as 6, but then in base 16 (hex)
>12 would equal 18, 3 times 6 in hex ..
Hehe, alright. Although the 125 strongly suggested that it was all decimal.
>> >but I THINK someone said that he wrote that equation wrong anyways ...
>>
>> No, it is correct.
>
>Okay..
>
>> Jensi
>
>Cerulean [defi]
Jensi
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 01:21 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <jpuchert@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1544] Re: BPM
In message <9503012146.AA05741@ InterServ.Com> you write:
>>>>Where do you get your table from? 4/125 is exactly twice as fast as 8/125.
>>>
>>>If so, how come 12/125 is not exactly one half as fast as 6/125?
>>
>>Who says it isn't?
>
>I do. At least not with DMP and-or ST3. Once, I created a song. Found out
>when I was finished with it that I used every other row in it.. like:
>
> C-4 01 .. A06
> ... .. .. ...
> D-4 01 .. ...
> ... .. .. ...
> E-4 01 .. ...
>
>and you get the picture. So I halved all of it, got rid of those spaces, and
>changed the speed to 12 (that's A0C in ST3). Turns out that it was a bit
>slower than before, and I ended up having to change the BPM to 134 to get it
>to line up correctly.
>
>--
>: Red Horizon : My thoughts are my own and no one else's. For
>: rhorizon@interserv.com : good reasons, as well.
Then I'd say you've just discoverd yet another incompatibility/bug/feature,
whatever you wanna call it ;-)
Jensi
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 01:14 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <jpuchert@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1542] Re: More bothersome file locating
In message <74208.campbell@fox.nstn.ca> you write:
>On Wed, 1 Mar 95 05:06 EET,
>South Street North Studios <ssn@pcnet.com> wrote:
>
>>Nobody's selling these recreation mods, are they..
>
>But lots of prople are selling players <Jensi>
>
>--
>Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia / Canada
>"There's coffee in that nebula" - Janeway, ST Voyager
So what, pray tell, is your point?
Jensi
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 01:15 EET
From: rhorizon@InterServ.Com
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1543] Re: Cubic Player
>I don't like FT2
>
>-It's really picky (needs just HIMEM.SYS loaded)
>-No shell to DOS.
It works fine with QEMM. I haven't had any problems. As
for the shell to dos, yeah, one of the most annoying features..
but, hey, who cares?
Hey, anyone in this group know how to input notes in FT2 without
having to start "recording"? I find the recording feature
bothersome.
--
RH. Bye.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 01:22 EET
From: rodman@wizvax.com (Joshua S. Rodman)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1545] Playing XM files
>
> On Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:53 EET,
> rhorizon@InterServ.Com <rhorizon@InterServ.Com> wrote:
>
> >Well, if you really want to listen to XMs, why not just load up FT2 until
> >a new version of DMP, IPlay, CapaMod, or Mod4Win comes out so you can
>
> I don't like FT2
>
> -It's really picky (needs just HIMEM.SYS loaded)
It will work just fine under EMM386.. Are you sure you're not
loading lots of weird TSRs or QEMM? It runs no matter how
I load my system. XMS, EMS, nothing, and any TSR's I want.
> -No shell to DOS.
Yeah, this is a bit bothersome. If DOS didn't suck so much then we
wouldn't need it though...
I once loaded FT2 exclusively to play Nibbles...
--
Serve the Computer.
The Computer is your friend.
Be a happy Alpha Complex citizen.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:33 EET
From: "Steven M. Hill" <steven@cadenza.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1547] Re: Cubic Player
> Well, if you really want to listen to XMs, why not just load up FT2 until
> a new version of DMP, IPlay, CapaMod, or Mod4Win comes out so you can
> listen to them? I mean, it's not that bad.. fer example, it's got a
> rocking version of Nibbles in it.. so.. =)
Not only do you get nibbles, but you can also change the colour set of the
screen if you gt bored.
Actually, I had my PC hooked up to our mixing desk today and ran FT2 and a
couple of tunes (all containing 8 bit samples, I might add), the engineer
couldn't believe his ears. Maybe not my music, but he was really impressed
with the quality of playback of FT2.
It does, to me at any rate, sound better than any other tracker. Cubic does
tend to wreck some of my stuff but I'm sure .XM support will improve.
If jensi is out there, how's the implementation of .XM support going for
your tracker?
Steve
thekraken
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:44 EET
From: stimpy@delta-eng.com (STIMPY)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1548] Re: More bothersome file locating
-> > Anyway, as far as what's "good music" and what's "crap," there's no
-> such > thing. I like some demo music, but dislike other demo music.
-> I like > some rock, dislike others. I like some ambiance, dislike
-> others. > There's no one "good" type of music. If it sounds good to
-> you, then > that's all that matters. There's no sense wasting
-> bandwidth just to say > "This music is c00l and your music is lame."
->
-> I'll tell you what music is cool: dueling banjos. I want to hear a
-> mod
-> of it, I don't care whether it's a techno remix or authentic pluckin'
-> banjos! Maybe this is a little too tough for all of you kfmf guys. I
-> shouldn't have even mentioned it.
->
-> Banjo Boy
I agree...that would be cool. The KFMF is known for it's broad range of
music styles. I don't see why it couldn't be done (and done well). I
enjoy listening to the brand new original releases that are uploaded
weekly, but a little familiarity once in a while wouldn't hurt. Dueling
banjos, the Peanuts theme (a remix of that would be great :-)
A friend of mine has a CD with a remix of the Gameboy Tetris music. We
laughed outloud in joy, and had a warm, fuzzy feeling the rest of the
night...heh...
Jason
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 02:26 EET
From: kimba@moby.it.com.AU (kim davies)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1546] Starplayer
Well, Starplayer now has Soundblaster support. Although the actual sound
quality is bad, the effects implementation is as good as the GUS support (we
hope.)
Anyway, the point is, if any of you guys know where to find the SDK's for
soundcards you'd like supported, I'd like to know :)
Ok, that's it, happy lent :)
--
,,:::[ kim davies ]:::..
::::::[ statix [oxygen/kosmic], kimba@it.com.au ]::::::
'':::[ 31x50'16"S 115x46'19"E, http://www.it.com.au/ ]:::``
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 03:25 EET
From: Andrew Voss <vossa@rpi.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1549] Re: re ? re ?, SHIT re :
>
> This mailinglist is going all the wrong way...
> I receive 20 to 30 emails a day, and they all suck big time....
> Starting out in the morning with deleting all the klf-talk emails might be a sign to
> abandon this list, right ? ;-(
>
> it's a damn shame...
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> JHUYSMAN@BAUSCH.NL Bausch Datacom BV Tel +31-10-4137055 Fax +31-10-4137264
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Note : All views expressed are personal opinions.
>
Although I agree with you that the number of posts is getting a bit burdensome
on this list, I don't think it should be a reason to leave. When you have as
many people as you do on KLF-Talk, it's inevitable that a lot of messages
will be posted.
However, I think people should consider the importance/value of their
message when posting and keep in mind how many people's mailboxes it will fill.
I am getting a little tired myself of seeing messages with just tiny little
replies like "Yeah, FT2 sucks". This kind of chatter should take place on
the IRC, i.e. #trax, where it is much easier to get quick response.
Another thought is to take some of the music talk to its OWN list, like
MODtalk (at lack for a better name). That way if you want to know about
KFMF without flooding your e-mailbox, you can do so.
So I'd like to tell a few people (eg Josh Rodman, Red Horizon, Chris Campbell
) to _please cut down_ on your posts. Think twice if what you're saying has
any importance. Believe me, I've cancelled out of a bunch of my own replies
for this very reason. I hope the list remains useful and enjoyed in this way.
- Andy V. - Phoenix[Kosmic] - vossa@rpi.edu
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 03:47 EET
From: Andrew Voss <vossa@rpi.edu>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1550] Re:
> I agree...that would be cool. The KFMF is known for it's broad range of
> music styles. I don't see why it couldn't be done (and done well). I
> enjoy listening to the brand new original releases that are uploaded
> weekly, but a little familiarity once in a while wouldn't hurt. Dueling
> banjos, the Peanuts theme (a remix of that would be great :-)
>
Actually, I've been considering doing a breakbeat Peanuts theme. That and
a M*A*S*H theme remix. I don't remember how sober I was at the time, however
:I
-phoenix
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 04:17 EET
From: "J.Toon" <max0803@IMAP2.ASU.EDU>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1551] Re: BPM
> >> What does the numbering system have to do with the equivalence of two terms
> >> on either side of an equation?
> >
> >Because in base ten, 12 is twice as great as 6, but then in base 16 (hex)
> >12 would equal 18, 3 times 6 in hex ..
>
> Hehe, alright. Although the 125 strongly suggested that it was all decimal.
:) sounds good to me ..
> Jensi
Cerulean [defi]
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 05:24 EET
From: Chng Ching Huei <chngchi1@iscs.nus.sg>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1552] Re: More bothersome file locating
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Chris Campbell wrote:
>
> >Well, I also record my favourite klf's songs on a cassette.
> >But, I don't sell it.
> >I used it to show my friends how good klf music is!
>
> [Legal Info]
> The music contained in this archive is Copyright 1995 KFMF Productions,
> All Rights Reserved. Unauthorized use of this song, including but not
> limited to: selling this music on a CD-ROM software collection disk, taping,
> burning or otherwise recording this music to analogue or digital tape, CD,
I hope Maelcum and other KFMF artistes wouldn't mind that right!
I'm just taping it down and introducing my friends to it.
Nothing else!
Benedict Chng
Email: chngchi1@iscs.nus.sg
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 23:41 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <campbell@fox.nstn.ca>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1534] The Internet in a bocks.
On Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:54 EET,
rhorizon@InterServ.Com <rhorizon@InterServ.Com> wrote:
>Well, you go to your local software shop and purchase the Internet In A
>Box kit. Then you register it with Sprintlink and voila! Internet
>access. Of course, it's only good if you work in Windows a lot. All
>the apps are windows based.
Hmm... I use windoze a lot of the time for my FTP and IRC clients... does
Sprintlink cover Canada?
--
Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia / Canada
"There's coffee in that nebula" - Janeway, ST Voyager
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 06:06 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <campbell@fox.nstn.ca>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1553] re: interesting point..
On Wed, 1 Mar 95 19:01 EET,
@#!%# !@$%#@! <anichols@lib.drury.edu> wrote:
>I still enjoy anything created by a computer so it's no big deal, I'll
>keep listening. 8)
Is there anyone here that likes a lot of the tracker music better than the
crap they sell on CD's in the music stores for $14.95?
--
Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia / Canada
"There's coffee in that nebula" - Janeway, ST Voyager
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 07:24 EET
From: Jacob Cossairt <jacob@kecomp.coldwater.mi.us>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1554] Is it pirating music?
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Dan wrote:
> > > and put them on THEIR CD's and sold them to the masses for profit? Don't
> > > be hypocritical now.
> > Nobody's selling these recreation mods, are they..
> ok, let's put it another way. say YOU got a record deal and put out a CD
> and then someone came along and started giving away dubbed copies of your
> album. you *know* you'd be upset.
It'd be easier to record the song off of the radio and give it away
than it would be to find a high quality .mod file, record it, and then
give it away.
Most .mod recreations can't be considered good enough to replace the
original. I have an .s3m version of NIN's March of the Pigs that comes
dang close, but I'm not recording it and giving it away.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:43 EET
From: kimba@moby.it.com.AU (kim davies)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1556] Re:
> Actually, I've been considering doing a breakbeat Peanuts theme. That and
> a M*A*S*H theme remix. I don't remember how sober I was at the time, however
> :I
hehe - how about kosmic does a music disk with theme songs etc remixed? :)
cya,
--
,,:::[ kim davies ]:::..
::::::[ statix [oxygen/kosmic], kimba@it.com.au ]::::::
'':::[ 31x50'16"S 115x46'19"E, http://www.it.com.au/ ]:::``
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 11:40 EET
From: stimpy@delta-eng.com (STIMPY)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1557] re: last 2 kosmic releases
-> >>I think some players will crap out if you do that; DMP comes to
-> mind. >If they use DMP.. then screw 'em, I say. :)
->
-> Don't you mean DuMP?
->
-> --
-> Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia / Canada
-> "There's coffee in that nebula" - Janeway, ST Voyager
Heh...DMP was good until other players started showing people that DMP
was playing songs incorrectly. Who knew before that? :-)
Jason
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 15:03 EET
From: jester (Tobias Reckhard) <jester@hp56.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:1558] Re: FT2 - was Cubic Player
> On Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:53 EET,
> rhorizon@InterServ.Com <rhorizon@InterServ.Com> wrote:
>
> >>I found it held a few notes too long with Reflector by Zodiak.
> >Well, if you really want to listen to XMs, why not just load up FT2 until
> >a new version of DMP, IPlay, CapaMod, or Mod4Win comes out so you can
>
> I don't like FT2
Neither do I, but a lot of people do. It is a good editor, undoubtedly,
but I like a couple of ST3 things more...
> -It's really picky (needs just HIMEM.SYS loaded)
No, it doesn't! My main setup is QEMM 7.04 and it works just fine with
that. I s'pose EMM386 works too, but I haven't tested it. FT2 allocates
5.6MB of EMS perfectly... So it should be programmed for EMS usage.
cya
--
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